Also, the title of the website clearly demonstrates an inherit bias. I guess Diane forgot to have that part engraved on the Unicorn. After all, Cheryl Downs is basically serving a life sentence with no possibility of parole for her mothers crime. The detectives took Diane to the crime scene and were able to retrieve shell cases on the ground where the incident happened. Completely unethical, and not in the best interest of those children. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. In case you did not read the blog: During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath. The prosecutor didn't even know that after the Mother's Day road rage incident in 2020, Rivas was charged in Maryland with leaving the scene of another accident involving bodily injury. This is a more common route for children with parents who are incarcerated for what looks to be the entire childhood of the children. Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts and cold-blooded women and were judged on their unusual character. In reply to Kit It would never happen todaynever. Great blog post, thank you. 3. Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. Almost from day one, Diane was perceived as a cancer they had to remove. She said She did it. Therefore, my understanding is that the original sentence is deemed indefinite with parole hearings every 10 years. To this day, there is not enough evidence to prove her guilt or innocence. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. Susan, I dont know if there ever was a lawsuit against Ann Rule from the Fredericksons family. What a terrible injustice. Just saw the video of Dianes parole hearing. Wasnt he the stranger? You have that part absolutely right, so why was this protocol ignored? More reason to have investigated the case more thoroughly. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song Hungry like the Wolf that supposedly was playing when the children were shot in the car. They brought cakes and cookies and became friends so they were not going to fight over this. Maybe someone needs to read Part two in Dr. Billings in-depth review of the Diane Downs Murder Case in Oregon. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled , Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled, This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke , They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the , When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I say. Someone said to me that any of us, if scrutinized under a microscope, would come out looking pretty bad. It should have raised a red flag concerning her mental stability or the possibility that more people were involved. The flesh and muscle had been cored three days earlier, but the steel plate and bone graft could not be effected for two weeks (a precaution against infection). She was fighting back and they did not like it. What about the terror of being interrogated by strangers and separated from her family? Its as if they cant control it. It was positive only on a small portion of her upper hand where she said the gun touched her when she wrestled with the attacker (a detail she had mentioned before they did the test). Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. By the way, Dianes parents mourn the loss of their grandchildren to this day. So the prosecutor adopted the kids? Is there any update? And the fact that Tracy wrote in his notes that Christies reaction could have been excitement to see her mom but they decided to only mention extreme fear? They now have social media arenas reminiscent of the Romans cheering at the sight of a thumb down meaning there will be a bloodshed. Mr. It was such a high profile case and she was found guilty by the media and the court so people are afraid to touch this one. If you had commented on one of the elements contained in the blog, it might have been enlightening. To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for 6 months in 2011, and there was also talk of a suspension in 2015. If you read the blog, you will see examples of his lack of dedication. She entertained the idea of opening a surrogacy agency but the project never really took off. From reading the blog and my little understanding of this case, Ms Downs remains in custody as she is considered a dangerous offender. After arriving at the nearest hospital where the nursing staff and doctors attended to the children, the police were called in and her parents arrived promptly. Legally speaking, we do not go after people because they look evil or crazy. And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. Ur not showing facts that Ann Rule lied n misled n ruined lives with. 17:40, 1 MAR 2023. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I was always really bothered by that. Nice to see this blog is still active in 2017, being a lot of groupsmessage boards and such, on subjects like this has no activity for years. Movie scene alleging that Christie was scared. Robert and Diane even decided toget matching rose tattoos, but as soon as the ink on her tattoo was dry, he refused to get his done. Most importantly why would anybody shoot 3 children potentially fatally and leave the adult with a wound in her arm. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. By the way, this not a Diane Downs is innocent blog. It is a lets examine the facts of the case with hindsight and try to explain some of the inconsistencies and the role of the media and crime writers. And lets wonder why the US think that letting people die in prison is the answer when most civilized countries have reached other conclusions. So Diane did what she thought would bring her the deepest satisfaction in life; she became a mother. The car was splattered with blood, but Diane had none on her. In addition, the children were suffering life-changing physical and mental trauma, which would take years to heal. I agree in both cases they were high profile cases. Some of your facts arent facts at all. We dont know. 1) Gunshot residue/blood splatter. You need real evidence in court. Most doctors would tell you that it is normal for our brains to block out a traumatic incident especially when combined with a serious physical injury. This whole tale is just unbelievable. Not meaning to sound disrespectful, but you seem to be doing what you accuse Ann Rule of doing. The absence of the gun or gun powder residues on Diane is fact. Right away, the police asked her to go back to the crime scene even thoughshe did not want to leave her children behind. If I feel that due process was violated, I will go there anyway. I am interested in the truth. Diane had a few lovers, which Knick refused to acknowledge (Appendix 81, pages 1508, 1520). I am all for reviewing facts and getting a decision overturned in cases of corrupt decisions, and many people are on your side and find these cases totally worth their time. The role of Diane Downs was played by none other than Farrah Fawcett and her lover was played by Ryan ONeal who had been Farrahs love interest in real life. I have nothing to gain and I am not making up songs and dances about a unicorn. It is my hope that Leslie Van Houten and Diane Downs are never paroled. You do not debate the content of the blog which you probably did not read anyway. As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. Hello. Dianes dad died a year or two ago. Is. And he was found not guilty because his defense team played the race card in an area of LA where they did not trust the police and discussed EDTA and DNA ad nauseam to confuse the jurors. Agreed. I couldnt get my hands on the book nor find anything in librariesso basically it was many years later I dove into knowing more about this case, that kinda haunted me. Not unlike Diane, Alice did not want to share her pain in public. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. I hope this would never fly these days to separate wounded children from the only family members they have. The weird behavior (laughing and joking in the shooting reenactment), bullets found at her home and the constant changing of her story only is icing on her guilty cake. Or that the sketch did not resemble the suspect enough? ABC MOVIE FOR TV Small Sacrifices 1989 Farrah Fawcett, Ryan ONeal. This same witness corroborated that Diane did not stop to do something suspicious or dispose of the gun. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial: speculation But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. My website is in the process of being migrated so it has no photos. It was a fairly new science at the time so thats all it took to find him not guilty. I then question how she would not have blood splatter if she shot them inside the car at close range. Whether or not Mrs. Frederickson could have attacheda clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. BUT the babies were put in Foster Care before any allegations were made Family has defended and backed Diane for her Innocence clearly from day one The state took them away from all family because family was and is the enemy She has come a long way. Seeing her giggle and laugh during a videoed reconstruction gave me, as a mother, a sickening feeling. She attacked her husband and ripped his neck open in a jealous rage (Appendix 81, page 1520), tearing from his neck the gold chain he still wore from his first marriage (a gift from his first wife). I lived through the media coverage. It is not my point. No, Im not that gullible, Okay, I just read that she faked throwing her keys. They are set in stone and people refuse to see it any other way. Diane had met all the requirements to be paroled. The DA that put away their mom is not an appropriate placement choice. An attractive woman whose two children were killed in mysterious circumstances and the cops decided to go after her. View theaffidavits. If the goal was to get rid of them, why didnt she emulate her lesser half in this matter? It is also very is to clean. After completing his education and their short-lived high school romance, Steve Downs would move on to join the navy. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business. She had a bullet wound in the arm, and the three kids in the back of the blood-soaked car had all been shot at close range. Therefore, those jagged bones were floating in a cloth wrap, merely resting in a cloth sling. Im sure nothing I write will change that. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced. In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. Many troubling elements of the case were discovered after the trial, but there was enough during the proceedings to be asking questions. Removing the children from her and presiding over her criminal trial? Van Houten has made her choices and needs to own up to her actions and stop putting all the blame on drugs and Manson. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. I can make out I will ask you to take a good look at the people in your life. What mother takes her kids out at night and then stops for a stranger with her kids in the car? To Lori The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Isnt is odd how something we are exposed to as children can stick in our memory? Carol Kirkwood shared an insight into her recent holiday to Norway with fianc Steve Randall on Wednesday as she shared their first social media post together.. But her behavior became the most important factor in the investigation that followed. Strangely enough, a woman who was seen for 8 months by a psychologist and declared to be in shock and suffering from a mood disorder, would now be assessed by the State hired psychiatrist to confirm the label Hugi conveniently made up during trial. Actor Robert Blake was found not guilty of the shooting murder of his wife. For all my life I have thought I was not that smart, but now I can tell myself, hey cheer up could be worse. Click to read The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? Thanks again. Just like Rule though, your blog is extremely biased, and reads almost as though she told you exactly what to write at times. I was shocked any asked why she thought that. They did not like her attitude and she did not behave the way they expected a grieving mother to act. The best policy for Diane Downs would have been to remain silent, but she fought back and smiled at the wrong time and according to them, enjoyed the attention. I asked her brother James an answer to your question. Forensics or lack thereof and blood splatter? In the blog, there is a link on the subject of bipolar people who tend to laugh at the wrong time. Diane ran away from her husband many times between 1976 and 1977, but with nowhere to go except her parents house, she would come back. I removed the dumb and crass part of your comment. No conflict of interest there? I worked for county government child welfare for a decade. Diane was known for her love of all animals whichshe treated with great care, and for her independent and wild streak. She did it. This was the prosecution and conviction of (Elizabeth) Diane Downs who has now been incarcerated for too many years in one of Californias (overcrowded) State prisons. I like your approach. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a , Anne Rule made a big deal of a brass unicorn engraved with the childrens names that Diane had purchased. Hugi did not want that. I had never heard of this case before I read her book (Im not from or do not live in the USA), but I found myself constantly despairing at the authors unfounded judgements and wild suppositions. Back to DD, I think she suffered some kind of mental breakdown, her account of the facts was never reliable, all the case appears murky, which points to an incompetent handling of the situation by the police and justice system. Her other daughter and son were severely injured. The judge instructed them to continue on to force a verdict. She did not fit in and was now anxious to assert her independence and live her own life. Dianes father tried to hire Melvin Belli, but the judge refused to give him some time to prepare and come back to the US. They rarely are, especially in the US. Ive done my research. The only reason they kept her in prison even if she had all the right documentation and support, is because she is high profile. Not an easy situation for him as I would imagine. Clearly the social workers were working with the DAs office and taking advice on best interest of the children from them. You seem to believe everyone is innocent. I didn't get tipsy, I'm pretty good at handling alcohol. The detective said if Diane would just testify against Steve Downs, she and her children could go home and try to put their lives back together. That her child was basically forced to admit that she saw her mom shoot them? ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differently we been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence proven. 2.Diane herself has stated that the shooter was outside the car and shot THROUGH the window, no blood spatter. did he have eyes in the back of his head.???? Tis why at 10 years old I was hearing about this case in Ohio, and family members talked about it around me.it hit with great force that way. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. If you think you would have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico, why bother? statement regarding the effects of the childrens medications while in hospital should acknowledge where the blogger obtained information about the side effects.). Contemporary family finding principles argue that a child is best nurtured by parents, then immediate family members, extended family members, spiritual family (Godparents), close friends, etc. There were a few calls and on one occasion,Christie said They just, they knew that, you know, that she did it and I should say that she did it. When asked if she thought her mother did it or someone else did it, she replied, I dont know if she did it or someone else did, cause I dont know. Then Angel says: They told you that was the right thing to do, huh? Christie responds, But like the person, my attorney, and thats who Fred is, that Im living with, hes the guy, he works for me.. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. answer the question why didn't steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. Yes, I usually answer the emails I get about the blogs. If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago, considering her good behavior and lack of priors. According to Oregon law, this would have to be supported by a psychiatrists report or a Wardens letter and Diane provided both. Like I said, the 2 years make it a bit more of a gray area. And it is not like these two were white as snow. All the years in prison probably made her way more disturbed than she ever was. They did not want reunification to keep their verdict intact. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. Page 26 of Case History. Shes where she belongs. Why was no one in the family given the right to adopt them. Halo Infinite. I know several people who know or knew both of the surviving children as well as Diane. No worries. According to Detective Welch, Steve Downs followed Diane to Oregon, they fought and Steves rage took the last step on the path hed been treading for a long time. The rest of the family? This is also a faster route to give the children permanency, and is far cheaper for the child welfare system that is always strained by the budget. This blog is riddled with inconsistencies, suppositions and a lack of the most basic referencing (e.g. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. If the police department had done their job properly, I would not have written this blog, no matter the outcome. It kinda scared me, the thought that mommy could shoot me, like this mommy did. It was also said at trial that the shooter would have been left handed, which was not the case for Diane. This test confirmed Diane had not held a gun. Page 40 of Case History. If you shoot at least 6 inches from a victim, you see what is around you in the car. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. But in this case, she had no blood on her body or her clothing. Maybe that her mom was obviously not well after spending her life in prison so it would have been a good idea to meet the Downss family quietly and get the jest of it. Instead, the person accused of attacking them and wanting them out of her life, fought for them. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular: this blog is clearly one sided. We make them president!!!! It has nothing to do with the facts of the case. And she should be allowed parole! And I care about the lack of evidence. She repeated it years later at school. I followed the trial. 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