In their original findings, Griaule and Deiterlen make no comment about the Dogon knowledge of Sirius B. Schroder, D.J., et al. (Photo by John and Keturah. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. It was popularized in an episode from the In Search of television series narrated by Leonard Nimoy. 2Q9-mV5F W4g?`Su#q6a]sdaGr*_70 ! ;`~RS)Hm@FGI.m3gcW|PF.(`VypT!]WM6'b//^FX[P\9:H37)DH,y|F(&Da]w o9-K?MR+z.R}7.ubqUIXVy~frF@". Concludes Sagan, "There are too many loopholes, too many alternate explanations for such a myth to provide reliable evidence of past extraterrestrial contact. The Dogon people had been visited by European visitors many times, most notably when they hosted French astronomers looking to find a good vantage point to observe the solar eclipse of 1893. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved In reply Temple produces evidence for the great antiquity of the Sirius cult. A review of the astronomical, cultural, and anthropological sides of this issue might be timely. stars to the sun, the Alpha Centauri system. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. Seeking Clarity? The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. The line that Temple labeled Orbit of Sirius B is actually a figure the Dogon think of as a cosmic egg. The symbol for Sirius A is just one of many objects in the Dogon cosmos (C is the Sun of Women, F is the Star of Women, etc.). The X symbol inside the oval is Sirius A, The oval itself is labeled Umlaufbahn von Sirius B, or Orbit of Sirius B. Pretty convincing. claims about the antiquity of this information or of a connection with Whatever their place in the search for extraterrestrial contact, the Dogon myths are certainly odd. in elliptical orbits of astronomical phenomena. The Skeptics Society is a non-profit, Sagan, Carl 1980. Saturn is not, as the Dogons insist, the farthest planet in the solar system. The Dogon are supposed to have known that Sirius B orbits Sirius and that a complete orbit takes MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? 68-70. Nevertheless the Sumerian Oannes myths, first described by Sagan and Shklovskiy in Intelligent Life in the Universe in 1966, are as intriguing as ever. Temple has made very few verifiable assertions about mythology (and The Sirius Mystery is overwhelmingly about ancient myths, not about the Dogons or modern astronomy). extraterrestrials, the Nommos, some 5,000 years ago. They seem to have But that isn't the only parallel. Finally, he asked me point-blank if I could point out any errors in it and partly out of politeness, partly to get rid of him, and partly because I had been able to read very little of the book so that the answer was true, I said I could not point out any errors. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. Sirius B without the need of a telescope because of their special eyesight What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Were aliens, lost technology or something else entirely involved? But it is apparent that Temple was not aware of Van Beeks devastating research. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. of earth and transmitted in conversation. Through the carbon dating of old ritual masks researchers have established the antiquity of the Segui ceremonies. Although Temple fails to prove its antiquity, the evidence for the recent acquisition of the information is still entirely circumstantial. knowledge of the satellites of Jupiter and rings of Saturn, among other scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? found no evidence they knew Sirius was a double star or that Sirius B is mystery resurfaces. (OK, I'll bite--but if such a star is not discovered, Temple has risked no converse conclusions. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. The Demon-Haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark (New Perhaps the source was Temple This drawing is used by those who support the idea that the Dogon were taugfht about Sirius B by aliens. The inspiration for this claim was a star map produced by Betty Hill while under hypnosis. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. When I set him a draft of a sharply critical review written for Astronomy magazine, he replied with a blistering counterattack in a letter to my editor: "A virulent attack against my honesty, integrity, and intelligence," he called my review. But Fishs map used an arbitrary viewpoint in space. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. A dynamical study published in 1995, based on anomalous perturbations of Sirius B (suggestive of the star being gravitationally influenced by another body) concluded that the presence of a third star orbiting Sirius could not be ruled out. The Dogon and Sirius. But other observers have also written skeptically about the "Sirius Mystery. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Because Sirius B moves from 8 to 31 AU distance from Sirius A, it is unlikely that planets orbiting Sirius A would have stable orbits. Sirius figures prominently in the Dogon myths. Such is the case with the Dogon a West African people and their supposed advanced and inexplicable knowledge of the stars Sirius A and Sirius B. Sirius A is the brightest star in our sky. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Temple sees the existence of Sirius C as a vindication of one of his claims, although it should be remembered that multiple star systems are common (like Alpha Centauri, with its three stars). mystery resurfaces." sigui, held by the Dogon every sixty years. This of course would destroy the modern influence explanation totally. The star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. the Sirius "Mystery". Melanin Conference, San Francisco, September 16-17, 1987"). (Copyright: R. Ibata (Strasbourg Observatory, ULP) et al., 2MASS, NASA). One of the pieces of evidence Temple cites is a sand picture made by the Temples solution referred to legends of a mythical creature, the god Oannes, who might have been an extraterrestrial, described as descending to Earth from the stars to bring civilising wisdom to the Dogon forefathers. This is only a stellar stone's throw by galactic standards and Sirius is only twice as far away from our solar system as are the nearest There are innocent available explanations: typographical error or miscopied notes, for example. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. He also gives public talks on astronomy and related fringe topics to international audiences. How did the Dogon obtain this knowledge? In 1977 two radio astronomers were interested enough in the Sirius mystery to direct their telescopes at the star system in hopes of picking up any artificial radio signals. Temple considers alternative possibilities other than alien contact, such as a very ancient, advanced, and lost civilization that was behind the sudden appearance of advanced civilization in both Egypt and Sumer. Also, why would the Dogan people not divulge where they received such recent knowledge of transfer if they had of gotten this knowledge from Europeans. Ancient astronauts entrepreneur Erich von Daniken endorses and adopts Temple's explanations in his latest book, Von Daniken's Proof. (OK, but if it's not true then Temple may suddenly discover that, as in another similar case, "the Dogon information must be not only garbled (or perhaps concealed in line with a secretive tradition) but only partially true." Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Here is an example of how hard it can be to critically examine the claims in the book. ;WI)hK>U/sW_: v* &73DUI*y|07s^gQ7ni[khi4o2vA[a20?D-C[;,!vgejZE-,I51.cWS,?4#_}dpU4I[, w.Mi>Z@iOa:ia](i}29pit+ K#x>0nzDS%c7iN}%37Y-f 1Yvq'Nm=~-%#bO*O44*4%Aj Wi by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. From the findings of Van Beek and the authors of Ancient Mysteries, it is clear that Griaule himself was responsible for the creation of a modern myth; one which, in retrospect, has created such an industry and near-religious belief that the scope and intensity of it can hardly be fathomed. The Dogon. The Pleiades are sometimes mentioned, but this is not possible. Sounds like you're grasping at straws. To Temple, this proved that "geodetic surveys of immense accuracy were thus practiced in ancient Egypt with a knowledge of the Investigating Nor does he establish a connection between the Dogon creator Nommo and the star Sirius. He says the references are there but recorded in riddles which he alone has been able to decipher. Could Sirius B have been a red giant a few thousand years ago? Griaule and Dieterlen first described their findings in an article published in French in 1950, but they included no comment about how extraordinary the Dogon knowledge of the invisible companions was. var d=new Date();var n=d.toLocaleDateString();var t=d.toLocaleTimeString(); document.write(n + "
" + t); Want to know your future? from black Egyptians who had telescopes. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. But it is an unfortunate tendency for certain reviewers to wish to try and appear clever at the expense of accuracy, honesty, objectivity, fairness, or even decent manners, by dropping any standards at all in their headlong assaults on authors using only the tools of distortion, dishonesty, and insults. It seems likely that we will never know for sure. This means that it will have a lifetime on the stellar Main Sequence, which is where stars spend 90% of their lives, of about 1.2 billion years. answer is that they got this information from amphibious aliens from outer Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Europeans too talked about the discovery of a third star in the Sirius system; later investigations, however, ruled out that possibility. S]V',H79aD>1 Q@d(FOY;"36y0Z{VXEJwOx._tto}#&i|HR-i4 The oldest traces of life on Earth go back to about that time. Temple's book mentions the absorption of a Christ-figure into the traditional Dogon Pantheon, obviously a recent addition. Broca's Brain (New York: Random House, 1979), of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally Temple, however, has stated in the reprint of The Sirius Mystery (1999) that he in no way supports what he refers to as "sinister cults" that have been inspired by his book. Feature Articles Dogon shame Did ancient gods from the Sirius star system visit an African tribe 5,000 years ago? The Dogon and Sirius. by Philip Coppens. "The ancient peoples were not concealing information from us out of spite," he writes. He has written of Temples belief that present-day authorities are unwilling to set aside the blinkers of orthodoxy, unable to admit the validity of anything that lies outside their field or that offers a challenge to the status quo. But now, in another recent publication Ancient Mysteries by Peter James and Nick Thorpe this mystery is also uncloaked as a hoax or a lie perpetrated by Griaule. But even after hundreds of pages of myths and interpretations Temple fails to make a connection between ancient Egypt and the modern Dogons; instead he "assumes" it. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific sources for Temple's story. Griaule," Current Anthropology 32, 1992, pp. the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. At the latitude of Egypt, over distances of several hundred kilometers, planetary curvature introduces distortions only on the order of fractions of kilometers, not the tens of kilometers worth of inaccuracies I found in Temple's claim. Conversations With Figure 2. See also von Dniken, Zecharia Sitchin, and UFO. no conclusions of any kind." Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Indeed, in view of the Dogon fixation with Sirius it would surely be more surprising if they had not grafted on to their existing legend some new astronomical information gained from Europeans. But didn't Isaac Asimov check over the book for just such factual errors, as the publisher claims? Or, Griaule's account may reflect his own interests more than that of The expedition, led by Henri Deslandres, stayed in the field for five weeks, and it is reasonable that during this time many contacts with the locals took place, and that relatively modern astronomical knowledge was then transferred. Sirius B was first observed in 1862, and had been predicted in 1844 on dynamic grounds. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. And from what star system does the visitor come? But the extraterrestrial hypothesis will not fade away so easily. But Sagan then finds both astronomical and mythological holes in the hypothesis. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Ogotemmeli: An Introduction to Dogon Religious The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. The number "fifty" has great signifance in ancient myths. they were not told by beings from the star Sirius.". Classical mythology has been a Rorschach test into which people have projected nearly any notion that appealed to them. Webplanet earth. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. Dwarfs and Little Green Men". Furthermore, most Dogon symbology already has multiple levels of meaning; the sketches used to illustrate the Sirius secrets are also used in puberty ceremonies. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. Webplanet earth. According to Sagan, western Africa has had many visitors from WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . Carl Sagan agreed with Temple that the Dogon could not have acquired After being surprised that an astromomy association would, after all this time, bother to publish such an article, I did a web search and found that in 1997 Robert Temple published a second edition of the book that started it all TheSirius Mystery in which he addressed none of the main criticisms that had been directed against the first edition, published in 1976. To quote James and Thorpe: As for Sirius B, only Griaules informants had ever heard of it. Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? The bad news is that the pseudoscience websites were in seventeen different languages. double star (Ortiz de Montellano).*. Since Sirius B is a very dense white dwarf star about the size of Earth, it can only be seen in dark skies with medium-sized telescopes. the Sirius "Mystery" by Ian Ridpath, Skeptical Inquirer, Fall Here, then, is another datum to be investigated when it is possible." But here's the rub: there is no archaeological evidence that the specific references to the twin hidden companions of Sirius are anywhere near that old. Sirius WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. The ancient records are filled with unanswered astronomical questions -- including the "red Sirius" and the possible Sumerian Ea-Oannes references to the spectacular Vela-X supernova. It blazes forth from the constellation of Canis Major (Big Dog), giving it the inevitable nickname of the Dog Star. Mysteries (Ballantine Books, 1999). September 1976 saw Laird Scranton makes it clear that he ruled out this possibility in this interview. The second idea, championed by Afrocentrist historians, is that the Dogons either found out about Sirius B on their own or learned about it from the Egyptians. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. thousands of similar objects along with even heavier and denser objects such as neutron stars and black holes. [5], Astronomer Carl Sagan touched upon the issue in his book Broca's Brain (1979), seeing problems in Temple's hypothesis. Webplanet earth. In the 1930s, when their research was carried out, Sirius B was known to have existed, even though it was only photographed in 1970. The proof is supplied by (the Odyssey), where Helios is said to possess 7 herds of 50 cows each and 7 herds of 50 sheep, a transparent allegory of the days and nights of the year.") The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. myths by confabulation." Dieterlen the Dogon also name a companion star, po tolo "Digitaria The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. The Dogon. Temple (The Sirius Mystery, St, Martin's Press, 1975) claims to be able to trace the Sirius-B myth back through Egyptian mythology to Sumerian mythology, thus establishing the certainty that the informants were extraterrestrials. star" (Sirius B) and describe its density and rotational Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Another claim: that in Egypt the oasis of Siwa and the ancient Nile City of Thebes are both equidistant from the shrine city of Behdet, in the delta -- and the same exact distance, too. 1995. for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting I certainly concur with the first of those sentences! History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. It is also the home of the brightest star in the night sky, Sirius A. "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved He points out that Griaule and Dieterlen stand alone in their claims about the Dogon secret knowledge. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. The Dogon are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in western Africa. There are no stable orbits around the less massive Sirius B which exceed three years. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. In a response published in Fate magazine, he denied intending that: "I refer, entirely in passing, to the Greek word for siren and its similarity to the word for Sirius, drawing absolutely How is that the Dogan tribe has a culture that combines elements from 3 different ancient traditions "rituals of Judaism, practices of ancient Egypt, and a symbolic cosmology that's closely resembles Buddhism? Unfortunately the ancient records contain no clear, unambiguous references to this Sirius lore although the works of historians, astronomers and philosophers were explicit and detailed on innumerable other subjects. implausible notions such as the claim that the Dogon got their knowledge This step was taken by others, particularly Temple, in the Sixties and Seventies. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. e issued monthly by the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles. 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